014 – Captain and Commander?

Welcome to episode 14 of the UnSunday Show! In this episode, I continue my interaction with Jon Zens’ book entitled, A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile: What Makes American Christianity Tick? In Section 5 of the book, which is called Why Has Church Become So One-Part Driven?, Zens shares the following quote from David L. McKenna,

“[The pastor] is like the cerebellum, the center for communicating messages, coordinating functions, and conducting responses between the head and body…. The pastor is not only the authoritative communicator of the truth from the Head to the Body, but he is also the accurate communicator of the needs from the Body to the Head.”

Later in the chapter he quotes C. Peter Wagner as saying,

“The army has only one Commander-in-Chief, Jesus Christ. The local church is like a company with one company commander, the pastor, who gets his orders from the Commander-in-Chief. The company commander has lieutenants and sergeants under him for consultation and implementation, but the final responsibility for decisions is that of the company commander, and he must answer to the Commander-in-Chief… The pastor has the power in a growing church… The pastor of a growing church may appear to outsiders as a dictator. But to the people of the church, his decisions are their decisions.”

Let’s talk about it!

Zen’s book I mentioned in this episode:


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2 thoughts on “014 – Captain and Commander?

  1. Still catching up on all your podcasts, but enjoying them. Had to chuckle when you were quoting from the book by John Zen. One of the people quoted was David McKenna, who happened to be from the same denomination I was a pastor in for 25 years. He was a prominent professor at Asbury Seminary in Wilmore Kentucky and later became a “Bishop” (same as General Superintendent) in the Free Methodist Church. The other quote was by C. Peter Wagner, who was a professor of church planting at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, CA. I have rubbed shoulders with him on several occasions in the 1980’s and 1990’s. After listening to this episode and the next, I have decided to buy and read John Zen’s book. Thank you


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